Tucker Engine Blueprint.

[Tom]

Hi,
I was wondering if the blueprint on ebay is of the final engine that was used in the Tucker Richard have you ever seen the blueprints to the Tucker motor. It says the blueprint is of the B-589 what was the motor used in the Tin Goose and was the Goose's motor a Franklin also?

Tom

[plancor 792]

The B 589 was the engine first installed in the "Tin Goose". 589 refers to the cubic inch displacement of that engine. The car was later recycled to the plant and a Franklin 335 engine was installed. This engine had 335 cubic inch displacement and developed 166 horsepower. However I think that horsepower is a bit on the low side and believe it developed considerably more horsepower.
Richard

[Tom]

Richard,
Thank You for the quick reply I was thinking the B-589 was used in the Goose but wasnt for sure was the 589 a franklin also I printed off the prints from ebay that motor looks alot like a franklin but cant tell for sure if I remember right the 589 had some problems didnt it? Hence the reason they went to the other motor. Have you ever seen blueprints to the final production motor or did you make a pair when you worked on the Tuckers?

Tom

[plancor 792]

Tom,
The 589 engine was completely Tucker. There are several different prints of the 335 showing changes made in the engine when they were working on it in N.Y. Though the first ones were converted at Ypsilanti, Aircooled determined that many changes were needed to make it a smooth engine for the automobile. They changed cam shaft, distributor and many other pieces of the engine as they were building them. The last known watercooled engine built by Aircooled carried the serial number 335110. Aircooled engine 33560 was the one converted to air cooling. This engine never made it in to Tucker 1007 as the plant was shut down before it was completed. Tucker 1007 was in New York at the Aircooled plant for various engine tests.
Richard

[Billy Kingsley]

Where in New York was that? I'm about two hours north of NYC.

[TuckerCar]

Syracuse

[Billy Kingsley]

Ahh, that's quite a haul. Been there once, just driving through, seemed like a nice place though.

[GunMuse]

This engine had 335 cubic inch displacement and developed 166 horsepower. However I think that horsepower is a bit on the low side and believe it developed considerably more horsepower.

Don't confuse HP and torque. Prior to 1986 horspower was measure at the crank. This put companies like Ford at a marketing disadvantage.

HP = Torque x RPM

The 589 did a clean 130MPH at 1300 RPM This would mean that the estimated Torque output would be in the range of 450-500 ftlbs maybe a touch more or less. This was actually not uncommon output of the Tractor trailors of the day. The tucker engine was more in line with Big truck thinking than Car thinking engine wise. So the Tucker would be a 300-400 HP car in today's standards.

Since Torque converters were directly attached to the engine on both sides much like a modern TC it doubles the effective torque to the wheel at a peak point.

The Tin Goose would be very interesting to see on a dyno as it ran through the rpm.

I would love to get a copy of the 589 Blue prints because duplicating this engine with some modern advantages. Like computerization of the fuel mix and the hydralic drive valve system. I have a design idea for a "variable compression ratio" which added to the system would allow for easy starts and higher gas mileage. Plus on paper would bump the HP to 700-1000 HP OR gas mileage to 35-48MPG depending on the engine need.